Fibro fog or candida fog?

I think that I'll pass on watching that one.

allergy- I don't think YOU need to watch it. Others who insist on eating inhumanely treated animals should.

allergic - Thank you for posting this! I've never heard of epigenetics before. It confirms my belief on "fat gene" that I hear often. It makes a lot of sense about how our genes work and how some conditions are passed on to offsprings.

I am glad to read about one of the possible cause of peanut allergy - I've been wondering about it because I've never heard of it when I was growing up. Have you heard the news that Japanese people developed acute gluten-allegy after using soap that contained gluten?

http://www.majiroxnews.com/2011/11/16/japan-recalls-millions-of-soaps-shampoos-and-facial-products/

I’ve never seen earthlings…I know enough already and its so disturbing. The first question I get from people, second to how do you get your protien, is Why are you vegan, for health reasons or ethical? Who the hell cares?! Honestly I used to waffle on that but now I proudly say, For ethical reasons! Duh! :slight_smile: So…that usually shuts people up, where would they go after that anyway.

With the holidays coming up…I love hosting meatless dinners…dont do much entertaining these days but when I do…you arent going to get a poor turkey or dead cow here. Now if someone brings a dish with butter or eggs in it…they get a pass on that. And when we go to the inlaws, I always bring a dish that I know I can eat and that will be my meal. I dont expect anyone to cater to my ‘special needs’. :slight_smile:

Well, it’s good he’s an X…that was just an evil thing to do.

Now what is up with Holistic docs recommending meat? That makes no sense.

T34 - I think some people do care and are just interested in your diet choice when most people eat meat. It's reassuring to know that there are others who don't want to eat meat for ethical reasons more than just for health reasons - although I believe that ethic and health are inter-related.

I also bring my own dish to the party, when I am able to cook. It's difficult when people have pizza party - it's awkward to bring my own food when no one brings anything, so I just don't go.

That's why he is my ex. My doctor told me that I should eat meat, some fruits (berries), vegetables, and coconut oil - nothing else.

I never had fibro or lupus fog....unless you are meaning when one is in so much pain that is all you can focus on. I have my pain under control for years now, thankfully. I am having breakthrough pain so eventually i am going to have to see a pain specialist. Mine who was wonderful, went back to England. He was teaching doc at one of the Universities in Oregon. So far the smartest and most up to date doctors usually are the teaching ones.

As to fungus problems from taking too many antibiotics...the person who's doc put them on Cipro..well that is another antibiotic when one needs probiotics after antibiotics to put the healthy bugs back into one's system. If you think you have it in your colon remember one can always get colonoscopy and detect than exactly what is going on in your complete colon.

As to lyme..i was once bitten and even had the bullseye...which really does look just like one! I went in asap to my doc and she saw it as well ..yes i pulled the tick out first thing before going to back to the doctor. I was on treatment of antibiotics, i believe, for over two weeks. No problems ! so check after walks in the woods. I do wear shorts but wide brim hats always since ticks tend to drop from trees and bushes onto warm bodies that pass near or below them.

I hope you are well soon....and i really am curious about 'fog' for fibro and / or lupus...since not sure what you mean. thank you and get well soon i hope!

Siskiya,

I’m glad you dont know what the fog is. For me, it put my life on virtual hold…not fun. Thats interesting about the cipro…it was my rheumy who put me on it…he is very good at treating lupus and fibro pain…but not the consequenses of taking antibiotics…too bad i didnt know about it back then. As for your pain…have you ever been on lyrica? I am quite the advocate for it since it has managed mine very well. When you were bitten by the tick, did you actually test pos for lyme or coinfections?
Tracy

So you are on lyrica. Did you try cymbalta or savella prior? I had such horrible side affects, my neck and jaw muscles freezing up, I’m afraid to try something else. I tried gabapentin with little results but hadn’t worked up to high doses. I’m so sick of the fog, especially at work. Spent 3 hrs this morning working on a newsletter and lost all my work! Have no idea how or when it happened - as the tears welled up, I just have up! Lunch time now.

Hi Sandi,

No I have not tried either of them…so they caused your neck and jaw to tighten? I have had that but not as a side effect from meds. I know how you feel about the fog and loosing work on the computer…been there before!

T

the yogurt with probiotics or you can just buy stronger ways of adding the probiotics from health food stores will help with diarrhea in this type of problem. Sure by time you had diarrhea it was out of your colon etc.

Even true if your dog gets bad diarrhea. Use the yogurts with it in it or buy packets of it at Vets. I just keep the packets since I walk my dogs daily and seems they often can get in something bad during summer months. So that helps them get back to regular.

Hope this helps you too!

I am on lyrica...cymbalta is antidepressant while lyrica is muscle relaxant. I have tried cymbalta and like all antidepressants it did not help with pain...i swear this is just advertising to sell more! Unless one is depressed, i do not see it working.

The other, savella..both it and lyrica made me vomit. I was in place where every pill i tried to take made me vomit..was not fun.

So i did get strong antacid and then tried lyric again since it is one drug that is supposed to really help those with fibro pain and this time it does. I must take it only after meal or i can still get sick..that is only catch i do not like.

Gabapentin is mood drug and doctors have no business prescribing it to fibro people..just over drugging as far as i am concerned! sorry makes me mad!

i am sorry you lost your work and can understand how frustrating that must be! Gabapentin is the drug that can and does cause the fog...everyone i knew that has been on it unless they actually had mood disorder was in that fog and can make you sleepy feeling.

trying to get off cymbalta can be a nightmare...if you were on it for any length of time than you must wean off it extremely slow or you can get this nasty brain freezes..feels like electrical jolt shooting through one's head. Not nice at all! I was on it less than year ..think less than 6 months and it took me over year to get off it!

I hope this helps you a tiny bit at least. Try to keep working...it does help you feel better as long as you like your job even just a little bit. I really wish i could work again so badly for my self esteem...good luck and sorry you lost your newsletter.

You should be able to buy soy from Japan. You are very right about soy here vs Japan. I am not sure if all of it is GMO..sure there is some organic farms BUT we actually produce a different type of soy than Japan does.

That is why soy products made here do not work same as those over in Japan! I read that in excellent nutrition newsletter and than NPR picked it up, of course! This was number of years ago.

Also...Japanese here in US eat much more meat than those in Japan. So they do feel that is part of the problem as well...and not same amount of fish ...in Japan they eat much more fish and hardly any red meat.

It is true about the 'fat gene' but not for majority of Americans..you are correct. It is American Indians, certain tribes that really do carry it here. I find it all interesting!

Mediterranean diet is excellent one as well! They also are very healthy and many Americans enjoy switching slowly more to that kind of eating style. Many people here just do not enjoy fish ...so olive oil diet is more agreeable to their taste.

I love all ethnic foods and it is not hard to pick 'healthy choices' from them all!

I agree that we should ignore the inner isles and only buy from outer ones with fresh products. Plus try to eat more organic. One note..buy US organic since many other countries rules are not as strict as ours.

Siskiya,

I totally agrre with you about the gabapentine…and have never understood why it is given to autipoimmune patients…it causes a dopiness and fog that makes you feel like a zombiee…just what we need right?!

As for the lyrica…i have written on this before…most likely your doc started you out on too heavy a dose, they all do that…but even the smallest 25mg was too much for me so i split it into sixths and over weeks gradually got up to the 25…so you think that would work for you?

Tracy

Dee,

Thanks for your answer about testing for Candida. I tried the spit test but it was inconclusive.

Some years ago I had a bout with thrush that put me in hosp. It wasn’t brought on by antibiotics, tho’ - Drs. think it was in my system from having breast fed my by then 12 yr. old son while he had thrush. These opportunistic fungi are frightening, and can be deadly. Every year or so I’m re-tested for thrush. So far so good.

Warmest hugs

Suz

Hi Siskiya,

Did your doctor tell you that Lyrica is a "muscle relaxant?" That is not correct. It is an anti-seizure med. The drug company crossed it over to use on fibromyalgia. It just slows down impulses, but it is an anti-seizure medicine and that what it was originally developed for. Just a tidbit of information, maybe its irrelevant, but I like to know exactly what I am taking.

Allergic

Thanks Tracy for this awesome post ! I am def going to see a Lyme literate dr. I was curious if you have read or heard about malic acid ? I read it helps treat the yeast ,
I agree with you how can it hurt to get it checked out
So glad you have found an ans , and more importantly a treatment, if you have tips for the no sugar/ gluten diet please post it, I’m trying both but have no clue were to start
There is hope !!!
Hugs

Hi Dee,

Good for you…but if you cant find one close to you at the very least a holistic doc is good. I drive two hours to mine, but thats not as far as some people will go.

Thanks for the tip on malic acid, that is the first time i have heard of it…its in raspberries, lemons and green apples, they are on my list of foods to eat.

The single best tip I can give you is search for bodyecology.com…do yourself a favor and order the book. Forget all the products to start…and some of the suggested foods are totally foreign to the average gal, like me…but I continue to learn the more I read. I thought I ate a fairly healthy diet, but apparently not good enough for my conditions. My lyme doc has me on a No Amylose diet and on my own I discovered the body ecology one…so I marry the two. I really have to use my imagination for meals, but its totally worth it. Without expecting weight loss, I dropped five lbs in a snap…so I do have to keep up with meals…but, the best part of this manner of eating is that my bloated belly is GONE! I have been working on that for years and all but gave up.

Oh here is a little tip…ok, I’m like any other girl…I want a bit of chocolate now and then…in the past i have ordered some vegan chocolates from Rose City Chocolates, but now I get their vegan sugar free!! Yay! Not that the diet says chocolate is ok…but thats my little cheat now and then. :slight_smile:

Hey that would be another good topic to start…tips on eating sugar/ gluten free.

Stay in touch!

Tracy

You are correct and i stand corrected. It was my husband who is into reading about drugs a lot more than I am who told me that...and i do think my GP did say he was right. My GP is great guy but not the brightest doc. He had to look up what to do with simple fracture of a friend's finger.

But he also is smart enough to admit to me that as to my SLE he does not have clue how to treat it. He is kind enough to just run the tests that I know i need...but he has insisted i do find another Rheum doctor.

Point is you are correct...i know that with fibro anxiety is huge part of it...most people tend to stress or have severe anxiety so makes sense how it helps. Since is used for pain, spinal injuries etc.

I personally...if it is drug that doctor really feels very strongly about.. will try it. I never read the side effects because i worry that just reading them, i might make myself predisposed to them. Now if i get any thing new after starting a new drug..like upset stomach for example than i read the side effects.

I just find this works best for me. But i bet you a dollar my husband is going to not believe me and look it up!! In all fairness, he normally is correct so i should not make it sound like he is bull headed. He actually has been extremely supportive when i have been ill. I cannot ever say enough positive things about him as to how he has been there for me when i have or in future will be sick. In this area of life he is the best!